Yo! Like, no. He wanted to call the shots. Your Jerkbrain is telling you that youre never going to find someone else who will put up with you. One way to equalize a relationship like this while still showing care for your partners mental health is to maybe suggest fun things to do TOGETHER. Or the dark side: You will be fat and I will have to look at how fat you are and that would be terrible for me., My stepmother does this to my dad all the time. I cannot get out of bed. And thats okay, too. I think this list is a great idea! So few people seem to get this. And I think the reason for that might be that he doesnt understand depression AT ALL. He might also benefit from seeing a therapist or counsellor himself to get some help supporting you. Reactions based on internal, undisclosed standards isnt about keeping score, but it does have an effect, LW, and youve been feeling it: uncertainty, insecurity, and anxiety around their approval. There will always be something that can be improved, because people are people, and people are imperfect. You will never be trying hard enough/doing enough, because it is not about you. You might ask the following questions: Why did . Pick one.. Have trouble concentrating to work? One way we help one another is literally asking How can I help support you on this? Trouble sleeping. I usually agree with our captain, but this time I see all those scripts as an exercise in trying to change him into a reasonable boyfriend even as hes trying to change you into someone who eats her vegetables. 1. Make lifestyle changes to ensure you're getting enough sleep, eating healthy diet, and exercising regularly. Again, I dont know your boyfriend/relationship, but if he (and if you + your therapist are okay with this) is willing to come to therapy with you, it could be an option. I also just wanted to reiterate, in case youre having difficulty with the argument but what if what hes doing helps me? Seriously though, people who want to help you may not always manage to do so in the right ways when they first start trying, but you have clearly told your b/f what you need, and he is ignoring your stated needs. I dont think it really matters whether LWs boyfriend is doing this to try to make her non-depressed, thin or both; hes behaving in a way thats controlling and unhelpful, whatever his reasons. It doesnt bother me because of how he asks gently, not sternly, the tone he uses, and because the rest of the time he demonstrates how damnably attractive I am to him. Like the Captain said, if it helps you have the conversation, totally go for it. Maybe I can step on fewer landmines by keeping it in mind. I have learned to back way off, although he tends to not to interact much at his worst and I have a hard time dealing with that. Invoking logic by name in a discussion. Sure, for some people hearing about the severely-depressed woman who climbed Everest without oxygen, ran a multi-billion-dollar corporation, had a movie-star husband and five kids, and still managed to look fabulous straight out of bed, all without medication or therapy of any kind, is inspiring. But this is what worried me most when I read your letter. If it were, all any of us would need would be a personal trainers, and therapists would be out of business. Poetry of Nope is my new favourite phrase! Is Your Anxiety Sabotaging Your Relationship? I dont think relationships where somebody tries to mold you into their vision of you are a good thing. I wholeheartedly agree. Another script LW may want to try: How does this affect you?'. Good luck LW, and I hope you get to see how much better life can be when someone isnt actively holding back your awesomeness. I have an ex my friend refers to as The Physical Manifestation of MellifluousDissents (Formerly) Low Self-Esteem. I suspect this b/f may belong to that club as well. When he was in a show that had evening rehearsals nearly every night of the week, I ordered personal Mahi Mahis like every single night. A lot of men dont know what constitutes looking good, sure, but most at least know a clean shirt and something other than cotton or jersey material is the way to go. Your Mileage May Vary. He may be feeling like he is missing out on his life and it is time to get back into the single life. Youre should-ing all over yourself. Stuart Smalley (aka Sen. Al Franken). ! I dont want to invalidate anyone who found exercise very helpful in getting better, but the reason depressed people find people constantly mentioning exercise so wearing is it honestly doesnt work for everyone. . All good things. I feel bad about the situation, but deep down, Im also wondering if I have a chance to be her rebound. True story: I knew I needed to break up with my exboyfriend when I started composing Captain Awkward letters in my head. Not only is that (a) SO VERY NOT COOL, its also (b) likely reminiscent of the very types of behaviors that led to you developing those not good enough feelings in the first place. Its that he doesnt care about Actual you. Terrified. Theres a degree to which each partner does handle their own issues, but also an extent to which partners work together to help each other. He can just take you and chisel at you until he gets the enthusiastic, bubbly, thin dream-partner he wants out of what he sees to be a depressive heap. either way. I feel like the most charitable view of your boyfriend is maybe someone who doesnt understand depression very well (though who knows, he may even have had first hand experience but its a mental illness that everyone experiences vastly differently) and has absorbed all the messages of exercise releases serotonin and Good Hormones so it is the Natural Cure! Exercise doesnt have to hurt to be effective. You deserve to be with someone who shows you respect who likes you the way you are, who isnt always trying to fix you and who listens when you ask him to stop certain behaviours rather than telling you your request is ridiculous. A guy might do it, but he'll typically feel like a loser or weakling for asking for support or even talking about his feelings. Here are 7 early warning signs of a controlling boyfriend who thinks he owns you. I agree with all of the above regarding logic. Certainly housework affects him, but what LW eats and how much she exercises doesnt. Youve been through a lot, and you have been so strong and come so far and you have a wonderful partner who wants to help you and knows whats best for you. They threaten to break up with you all the time. If this IS the case, he does mean well, but hes going about things all wrong. He really thought he was helping by being logic- and reason-focused to the point that he would ignore and/or belittle anything I said about how I wanted to be treated unless I could back it up with logic. I have many fond memories of him. But my partner punishes me emotionally when I eat unhealthy food and dont exercise just sounds really bad out of context. What he isnt doing for you anymore is working to make the relationship work! Up until that point, I was always going to fail because a part of me didnt really want to quit. Knowing why he stopped making an effort will help you in making the right decision. Then reluctantly, because I was learning my own tastes, and Im not fond of tea in any of its many flavors. When your partner stops maintaining your relationship, that spark can easily die out as dissatisfaction and resentment builds up." Here are seven gestures that your partner may stop doing if your. I dont want to read too far into this, but how is LWs boyfriend? Walking is brilliant (assuming you have the spoons and physical ability to do it) its gentler on your joints than a lot of other cardio, you dont need special clothing, and its free. He then said that he was only trying to make her into a better person. Do you want to be like my mum, self esteem completely destroyed, fleeing an abusive 30 year relationship from someone who always thought you were not good enough? Just. Or maybe his own shortcomings as a helper? But that partnership is one weve negotiated and practiced over the years. Its part of who you are but that doesnt make it a bad thing. I hope your boyfriend comes around, but I offer you my best wishes and confidence in your judgment no matter whether he does or not. 5. That was threatening to him. I believe that my boyfriend (of almost 2.5 years) wants to help me succeed, be better, and do what we both know Im capable of. They hope wise Internet people will have a magic solution to restore their relationship to what they hoped it would be in the beginning. Things that actually help, like making me food, or cuddling me and telling me how great I am, or watching funny videos with me, or playing Who Let the Dogs Out (I dont care if its the Worst Song of All Time, it ALWAYS improves my mood). What your boyfriend is doing -whether he means to or not is *exactly* the issue that you are going to therapy to deal with. Hes demanding you account for the stuff you do when hes not there, and is a condescending asshole about it. My husband is very *actually* logical and reasonable. Even after I told him I wasnt interested in doing that, hed bring it up ad naseum. That is some high-level head games. Have you read about the accountant who had a brain tumor? Its not a cure; its a coping skill. It can be hard to wait through the change. He blocks me and ignores me. Don't reach out to his ex. In graduate school, there were entire weeks where all I ate was a huge wheel of frosted sugar cookies. Listen to his response and try to . Then, repeat what you want him to do and make the boundary plain: ! and but Ive been running for 40 minutes 3-5 times a week for months and I dont feel *any* better (in fact, in many ways I feel *worse*), what is WRONG with me? Personally, I dont like relationships where I am treated like that. 3 Turn-Ons & Major Turn-Offs, 3 Reasons Why Men Pull Away (And 1 Way To Win Him Back). My therapist suggested that I start taking more autonomy over my choices around this, and to stop looking to you for input about every little thing. While you sort out how you feel about continuing in the relationship, my suggested script for when your boyfriend starts telling you what to do or expressing his disappointment in you is I dont like it when you act like my Life Coach, please stop telling me what I should eat/do/how I should exercise, and/or From now on, I dont want you to tell me how to change or improve myself, at all. Be blunt and say the things that are on the tip of your tongue: No. I agree with the Captains scripts! When in reality there was an awful lot of family abandoning and not marrying your pregnant girlfriend going on in the past as well. Im in therapy to recover and get to a place where I think that Im good enough & love and trust myself again (after years growing up having that constantly undermined), and therapy has been going very well. Feeling frustrated with behaviors that contribute to a bad situation? also: breakfast for dinner is awesome and should be a part of every week Unless you dont want it to be, in which case it shouldnt! What about Y and Z? it makes me feel bad that you arent acknowledging what I already did. He was not doing it to be a dick; he was doing it because X reminded him of Y and Z, and so he was being helpful, in his eyes. Look again at your list the next day and revise it. That is some toxic logic there! The thing here is that logic and reason are being juxtaposed against emotion as binary opposites. Oh wow. It sounds like hes making you miserable and hurting your recovery. I hate that its still so acceptable and so common to cloak these actions under the masculine traits of logic and reason. Id probably be a lot less functional had he pushed me. This means that if you purchase a product through the link, we get a small commission at no cost to you. I would say the effect of increased exercise on my mental health is . He always wants to know the reasons behind them (which admittedly is sometimes frustrating), because he wants to know, not because he wants to prove Why I Am Wrong. . Anger flips the narrative. Treats are a vital part of a healthy diet. Do not wait until the stress of dealing with him makes your fingers itch for a sharp object (or whatever). When I started to develop some self-confidence! Keep my mouth shut about the chips? You know that already because you are experiencing it first hand. Being The One Who Helps gives you a bit of power and a (falsely) elevated self-esteem. If you like to cook, it might be really awesome if you two discuss the idea of having friends over for dinner a bit more often. Then perhaps from there they can move towards leaving. I appreciate that you care about me, but Im good, so lets change the topic.. Rest days are a vital part of an exercise routine. You know that he is flirting with those other girls, even if you cant see him do it. It sounds to me as if you have some clarity on what would be helpful to you. 10 Jennifer Dagle Bartender (2000-present) Author has 329 answers and 699K answer views 4 y Related Im sad because the person I love is sad, and I want them to be happy. Speaking of unconventional food pairings The Peanut-Butter and Bacon sandwich is a surprisingly delicious comfort-food combo (I like to toast the bread and add a dash of worcestershire sauce). Emotional detachment. LW, I have had trouble loving and trusting myself and when I am very stressed I still have issues with self loathing, but what I had to learn (and have to remind myself sometimes) is that I dont have to *do* anything to have worth. Former generations have never been as straightlaced about sex and love as they, or their descendants, want us to believe. Realize that you cannot change your partner's behavior. It would gross me out to have someone trying to act like a parent. Did you exercise today?Yep, it was great!What did you do?Why are you asking me? But for it to be helpful, she has to want to include me. I wish Id seen the light a good couple of yeard before I did although I did find I had no guilt whatsoever or any what ifs as I had tried everything. Its okay to leave. TL;DR: I hope you have good progress with your healing, and that either your boyfriend learns to be less of a jerk stat, or that youre in a position to be able to move on/out without him, because you deserve so much more support and respect. In high school, I was shy, introverted, and had low self confidence and poor social skills due to a history of being bullied in junior high and middle grade. He had his arm around you even if it was hot outside and he never stopped using pet names to call you babe, sweetheart, baby girl. He says that he still loves me even if I dont do these things (but it doesnt feel that way to me). It also ties into one of the Captains ideas of spending time with your partner who has depression in the spirit of liking and wanting to spend time with them as a person, not a project. Hi LW I havent read through the comments yet, so maybe this has been covered (probably it has, the Awkwardeers are brilliant), but I couldnt not weigh in on this because I have been where you are and it sucks, and now I am somewhere else where it sucks a whole lot less, so if you dont mind, perhaps a view from the other side would be helpful? In another car. This guy has given up, clearly, if you only see him in sweats or other loose-fitting, casual clothing. And exercise does help me it does! (ALSO he sounds like the sneering voice of trying to stop CSP behaviours once youre in the zone with them.) Then willingly, because I knew tea came in a lot of flavors. The ones who wont should be encouraged to date one another whenever possible. What is that one spot where youve always wanted to go but never had a chance yet? One thing Ive found helpful is the reflection that self-destructive actions are often also strategies for immediate survival for getting through particular moments. Its a power and control thing and points to major issues that he needs to work on himself. And remember you are AWESOME for taking care of yourself and making such good progress. So many hugs to you. He could be funny, kind, generous, and decent. Your email address will not be published. For a relationship to survive a crisis like that, you have to like the person (not just love them) and respect the person (not just love them). If I lean my head the other way, I can see a guy who is panicking about his partner being depressed and going about it all wrong. he told me to give him space but i feel like he is mad with me and ignoring me; My boyfriend and i have been together 6 months and we had a big fight on the weekend. Theres also the fact that you are depressed, at least for now (although congrats on making what sounds like a lot of progress toward improvement). My partner trusted me about what was going on in my own body, even when it was weird and new and disturbing, and he didnt push me. Sometimes weve done well when he asks me what I think Im doing. WELL I WONDER WHAT YOU WOULD DO AFTER 20 YEARS MARRIED TO SOMEONE YOUD PROBABLY JUST BLITHELY DUMP HIM THEN TOO. You are doing FINE. One notable occasion was when I got interested in a new industry and there was a 3 day workshop I wanted to attend. (From knowing my mother I now if shed had any reservations she would have allowed herself to tell me about them as many times as she could. If you are an academic assigning my posts in your courses, Id appreciate an email with a copy of the relevant syllabus/assignment for my records/CV. Thank you. Logic and reason arent really qualities that describe people. 1. It sounds like BF is unhappy with the relationship, but feels like LW has it in her control to make the relationship better, so he is taking it out on her for not being the idealized version of herself. If you are depressed, and your partner likes and loves you, theres a real risk they too will experience some sadness that could develop into depression. You have to like them for what they are (plus a +/- 2(?) I dont know if that makes sense? I hate to jump on the You Should Probably Dump This Guy dogpile, but something you wrote in your first paragraph really sticks out to me, LW. People dont always tell you frankly when theyre mad at you because, say, theyre projecting their issues on you. Anger is a perfectly valid thing to feel when a partner is depressed, what really matters is what you do about it. LW: I feel you so much in this. That's the last thing you should do. I feel like you are in some way owning your low moods and that makes me glad. I hope you can use some of these scripts to talk to your boyfriend, and that he can truly listen to what you are saying. . He says I'm too negative and I have no friends and I'm not self sufficient. I went through a phase when I asked him if he was feeling depressed almost every day at a point when he was beginning to feel better. If he only does that with yours, thats not being logical, thats being a dick. One more reason for doing so, as soon as its possible. To be honest, Im in a long-term relationship with a dude who is otherwise pretty damn great, but occasionally he comments on my wellbeing in a way that gets my back up (like telling me the severity of my issues is getting worse when Im acutely aware that its because Im under stress, or making it out that Im imposing Difficult Family Members on myself when its either manage a difficult visit or not see my family, ever). Good luck on your journey, LW! You said you would put away the dishes, and you didnt is a specific observation. He Stopped Calling. Work. When I was in a very similar situation, my ex could talk for days about how my not meeting his standards affected him. man, you know, there is even an episode of star trek entirely about how when Spock tries to logic everything, the human crew gets really upset with him and McCoy is like emotion exists you dick and Spocks like the deuce you say BUT THEN HE STARTS TO ACCOUNT FOR HUMAN EMOTIONS IN HIS DECISION MAKING AND STUFF WORKS BETTER. That you are so incredibly lucky and your boyfriend is a saint for dating you and youre an idiot it you let him go. Hello, me from the past! Im so disappointed in you. That means I dont want to run my food intake by you any more., To be absolutely clear, you should not have to justify any of this, and you are not the one making it weird by setting boundaries here. Not bully me or harangue me into preparing something for myself but actually sit me down and put a plate in front of me. Sometimes it feels like Im absorbing the sun like a reptile or a solar panel. Your partner becomes angry not in response to specific things that they observe, but by broad elements that they infer. Sadly, I would not be surprised if he saw outcome 1 as being necessary for the LW to be happy and healthy or at least how he self justifies wanting the LW to return to the passive role that they played in the relationship while they grappled with their depression and lack of confidence. Let him know youre concerned and explain why. What good is texting someone if youre not really building any kind of connection with them or meeting up in person to have real conversations about something other than how their day was or what they had for lunch? Cant think of a more clear way to phrase it. If someone has stated that they have a certain goal, I used to be overly helpful. Now I usually do not offer any help unless its someone Im close enough to to reasonable believe they might want me to. That does not sound like respect. He finally stopped when I was a teenager and I said something along the lines of it was a good thing I wasnt as sensitive about food as many teen girls, otherwise such comments could send me towards anorexia. Be good to yourself, LW, and if Boyfriend cant be good to you too, well, then I think the Captain is right about this guy being more invested in himself than you. If you are experiencing some or all of the following signs, it could be that your boyfriend has stopped making an effort: Your conversations are brief, and he doesnt appear to be as interested in your life anymore. He says I need to do more, try harder, and not let myself be comfortable., are moreRed Flags. What steps can you take in order for him to feel less obliged and more willing again about making an effort with your relationship? Boyfriend wants to help, and hes looking at the logical things yes, eating right and exercising make you feel better IN THEORY but he doesnt comprehend those days when just brushing your damn hair is a massive effort. Ideas which involve me policing my SOs behavior, rather than my SO doing it for themselves those ideas both take agency from my SO, and attempt to make their behavior my responsibility. Because he loves you and wants to see you shine for your own sake? 10 He Doesn't Ask You Questions. I liked the suggestion made upthread to use the BF for practicing your new boundary-setting skills on. But Im definitely not saying you need to DTMF right away. He may have felt too responsible for you, or that he was committed to always look after your needs. And he gets a positive comment from me every time I am aware. The first thing is take a deep breath, relax. Then all of a sudden he stopped calling and you're not hearing from him at all. I think Captains advice makes sense because, while getting rid of LWs boyfriend would be (according to many, I read) the logical consequence to his behavior, it is also true that you owe it to yourself to state your boundaries within this relationship, should it only last for one more day. The reason why he stopped making an effort might be because he no longer feels like theres a future between the both of you. Something that I tried with my own Helper from several years ago I took him with me to a therapist appointment. You do most of the calling, talking, buying of gifts, planning dates, visiting, etc. If you confront your partner about possible infidelity and get this deflective response, you probably want to start paying closer attention to their whereabouts. I think a lot of it springs from an idea that partners make decisions together and tackle projects together, and theyve made the mistake of mis categorizing you as a project. 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